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Shawn The Divine · Jul 18, 2007, 08:25 PM // 20:25

Party window change has been my favorite change in about a month or more. I hated constantly resizing and moving that damned thing.

bwillcox · Jul 18, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

I agree, I like the party window change. It seemed that before I was always having to resize it as I changed party configurations. One less thing to worry about for me.

Greedy Gus · Jul 18, 2007, 08:48 PM // 20:48

Should auto-size itself when entering an instance, fine, but there is absolutely no reason to remove the ability to resize vertically to preference.

Despozblehero · Jul 18, 2007, 08:52 PM // 20:52

I dislike the PS window and i dislike even more ANET apparent stance that we should take what we get a like it...

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I think some of you need a swift kick in the... excuse me, I believe some of you need a reality check.

How could you even suggest that we don't play, don't care, don't read, don't give you anything, whatever the current beef of the day is?

Consider:

Party Search
Expanded storage
Observer Mode
Reconnects
The Festival Hat NPC
Domain of Anguish
The title system
Hard Mode
Festivals -- modified and new
A bloomin' $100,000 Tournament

The list is darn near endless!

I understand you want more characters in the PS window. Sorry, that is simply not possible with the programming in Guild Wars. It's something we can look at with the new programming and the new engine for Guild Wars 2, but from all that I know, we cannot modify it for the current game.

However, I'd like you to look at the Big Picture, and realize how small that issue is, and how comments like "We never get what we want" are utterly inaccurate, inappropriate, and unfair.

I advocate for fans every day. But I really hope that the other dev team members don't see this thread because, today, I'm totally embarrassed by a few of you and your petulant comments.

I saw this update and i thought to myself 'Party Search?" when did we WANT that! TRADE IMPROVEMENTS IS WHATS WANTED, SKILL BALANCE IS WHATS WANTED, FIXING THE SAME OLD PROBLEMS THATVE BEEN HERE FOR 2 YEARS IS WHATS WANTED. I didnt know the community wanted a better way to group up, or said "I cant find a party here i need a special window to see all districts to get people to join me." I have known for... um ... ever that people have wanted a better way to trade. yet we get a better way to group up? *double-take* You cannot be "listening" to your game community and doing things like this. Once again Actions>Words

Lafayette · Jul 18, 2007, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by Despozblehero

I didnt know the community wanted a better way to group up, or said "I cant find a party here i need a special window to see all districts to get people to join me."

I've seen one or two threads requesting cross-district and/or cross-town ways to find groups for Hard Mode. It may not be an entirely out-of-the-blue change.

The party window did resize automatically, if memory serves, back in 2005. It was an annoying change when it stopped doing so. I haven't logged in since this recent update, and am probably not going to, so I don't know how competently it was just changed.

Regardless, the features Gaile listed in the above quote are still effectively "icing on the cake" changes. They're still refusing action on many things that matter.

Dark-NighT · Jul 18, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by Shawn The Divine

Party window change has been my favorite change in about a month or more. I hated constantly resizing and moving that damned thing.

Yup i to enjoy it

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I can't stand the new party window. As a monk it's driving me insane, I have my interface set up to a certain way so I can heal better, the party window was a HUGE part of my interface, now I can't adjust it vertically the way I want it and it's super annoying.

Please!!! even with the new party window you have all the members displayed, is it so darn hard to click in a slightly compacter party list? I have monked the tomb of primeval kings without any issues, if you needed a HUGE party list, you did something wrong in your interface design because a HUGE party list isnt needed to be a good monk.

Heck my own interface prettymuch differs from most people and i can monk anything prettywell, as for other characters it just flows good enough, have a look.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/6...ed1copywk6.jpg

Cheers

vergerefosh · Jul 18, 2007, 09:35 PM // 21:35

I personally don't like this change. Sure, on occasion my party window would go really small and over my mini-map, but, it's just sooooooooooo difficult to change it back isn't it?

I don't like this new change, as I prefer being able to make it the size I prefer. kinda meh on the allies and pets bit being resizeable, haven't really tried it out yet, but I'm in favour of returning it to the old look, including the big + button. Don't like that either. Sure, I can be a bit grumpy and against change, but this is purely cosmetic and for no real reason. If they could just make it so party window didn't randomly ping about and change size, would have been fine.
I dislike being forced to have a stupid small party window. I like it the old way, and don't come in and say "Anet made a change and you're all whining. typical. blah blah blah"
There was no need for this change, and a lot of people dislike having a small window. I want to be able to set my interface up as I like it, but this option has now been stolen from me, and I don't like that. I like being able to do whatever I want to with my party window and not be told how to do something. I HATE having people trying to change the way I play and force me to play in a certain manner, but that is what has happened with this update.

I've been rendered incapable of playing to suit my preferences, and I would like it put back to the way it was, either permanently, or to have it enabled as an option, so those who do like it can leave it, but those who dislike it can manipulate it as they desire. They've added options for lots of other things, like all those skill things etc, so why not this?

Crazy Kalibanov · Jul 18, 2007, 11:36 PM // 23:36

Personally, I don't like the new party window. I like being able to control the size. But, the thing that makes it BROKEN is that if you click anywhere in the dark area between the party and allies, it hides the allies -- gg if you were trying to infuse the ghostly.

Another thing that is causing problems is the change in position of the Kick and Leave buttons. Why? It's been a comedy the number of times the party leader accidentally left when trying to reorder the group. If you want to make a useful change to the party window, let us reorder the party without having to kick/re-invite.

The Legg · Jul 19, 2007, 12:25 AM // 00:25

The party window will take a while to get used to and personally i dont like it.
Would be nice to have an option to turn it off if wanted, like that auto targtting stuff, that was turned off at the earliest opportunity.

Dont see why all the anet hate is needed here though, easier to give constructive critisism or w/e it is.

So, dont like it, but hey, it wont stop me playing the game.

eudas · Jul 19, 2007, 02:37 AM // 02:37

i liked the window staying the same size i had put it at. it's nice that they tried to fix it jumping around from outposts to missions to instances, but the autoresize feature was not the best of ideas.

i also dislike the green "[Skills Template: XYZ's skills]" thing. We KNOW they're skill templates. We've been using them since the patch that introduced them. Anybody who doesn't know that, can click on one and figure it out in 2 seconds. This is a Useless, and entirely cosmetic (not to mention unwelcome and unneeded) change.

eudas

Enix · Jul 19, 2007, 02:38 AM // 02:38

Adding heros is annoying, as you often accidentally add the wrong one.

Winter Lady · Jul 19, 2007, 03:18 AM // 03:18

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Originally Posted by Enix

Adding heros is annoying, as you often accidentally add the wrong one.

Exactly my thought!!! Now I have to adept to the new way of adding hero - hold the botton longer so it doesn't 'auto-select'.

Is it me or did they rearrange the kick/leave button, I keep pressing the wrong ones!

eudas · Jul 19, 2007, 03:38 AM // 03:38

i dunno, adding heroes is much easier using <p>.

eudas

Operative 14 · Jul 19, 2007, 05:26 AM // 05:26

As I said in the another topic, I miss my party window. Before I had a single column along my right side; Compass, Party window, Mision map. All perfectly fitted and aligned. Now the party window is just this little thingy over on the side of my screen. I miss my party window, and I miss my personalized GUI. That was one of the neat things about GW, I thoguht, was that I was able to completely customize my screen layout to exactly the way I wanted it.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Jul 19, 2007, 05:49 AM // 05:49

I hate this change passionately.

vergerefosh · Jul 19, 2007, 03:36 PM // 15:36

We're meant to be able to customise our UI, but now this change has been forced upon us. Our right to choose how our UI was set up has been taken. Ok, stopping it hopping up and down and all over the place, not too bad, could get annoying on occasion, but where is the need to remove our right to whatever size part window fits automatically? I liked having a big party window, I find the current one looks stupid and stunted. Ok, some may say I'm being melodramatic, but I find it's affecting the way I like to play the game, as it's always there, niggling away at me and I can't really play with it as it is

Naliah Alexis · Jul 19, 2007, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Winter Lady

Is it me or did they rearrange the kick/leave button, I keep pressing the wrong ones!

I know the feeling!

I go to kick a hero/hench from my group and I end up bloody leaving! So annoying! I don't mind the auto sizing thing but pllleeeaseee change these buttons back to how they were!

Pynne · Jul 19, 2007, 05:02 PM // 17:02

I like the changes very much! It's so much handier now, I never have to resize the window when NPC's join or leave. It always takes up exactly as much space as needed, and I never have to touch a thing to make it happen!
Of course, if a toggle of some kind is needed to make the folks that hate it happy, then a toggle should be added. Personally I won't be needing a toggle, it works great for me with the new fix. Thanks Anet!

Darkobra · Jul 19, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by Winter Lady

Is it me or did they rearrange the kick/leave button, I keep pressing the wrong ones!

So it wasn't just me. I got sick of accidentally leaving my party when trying to kick a hero.

dustbunny · Jul 19, 2007, 07:04 PM // 19:04

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Originally Posted by Despozblehero

I saw this update and i thought to myself 'Party Search?" when did we WANT that!

You do not speak for "we" as in the entire playing population. You can say that "you" did not want it.

You may or may not be aware, but long ago when GW was just Tyria, someone created a mock interface for improving the way hench are selected from a list (beyond picking on the person standing in the outpost). They mocked up versions of what a "bulletin board" would look like for people looking for parties for missions and quests and for people to see who's looking for the same, all in the interest of making it easier to pair up. The party window is a version of what was suggested by the playing public. I would not hesistate to bet that someone over at ArenaNet had and kept a printout on their desk of what it looked like. It is something that portions of the playing population wanted. One specific individual went so far as to spent the effort and time to make constructive suggestions and create a prototype. ArenaNet acted on player suggestions to improve the game.

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Originally Posted by Despozblehero

TRADE IMPROVEMENTS IS WHATS WANTED

What do you want them to do? They took a look at their database structure upon which they built the game and determined that they are unable to implement an auction house without substantially rebuilding their game. Is it possible? Probably. Is it worthwhile? Does it payback? Probably not. They probably decided that although Junior Gamer see it as make-or-break feature and Joe Average would like it but can live without it, the resources required to make it happen are better spent elsewhere. It's a business decision. They did what they could with the resources available and did a minor add to the party window. It's not what was wanted and doesn't work all that well. Fine. They heard about auction houses but decided against it for now. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by Despozblehero

SKILL BALANCE IS WHATS WANTED

ArenaNet has not been regularly updating and tweaking skill balance in response to the game?

How quickly do "we" forget that a good number of people clamored, b****ed, and asked politely for ability to reconnect to a PvP match or a PvE outing when they dropped as the one thing on the top of their priority list of changes they'd like to see. Is that NOT something that ArenaNet implemented that players wanted? Did they not allocate considerable resource to make that happen since they consistently hear from players that this was the top priority?

How quickly do "we" forget that many whined for a long time about not having enough stash space. You hardly hear that now, do you? Did that problem magically resolve itself? Or did ArenaNet hear player feedback, decided in their staff meeting that it was something worthwhile given their resource constraint, then acted to make changes?

Yes, ArenaNet has not made some popular changes that people wanted. Don't confuse that with inaction. Do not confuse listening to players with actually implementing every change asked. The resource allocation process filtering work requests operates inside every company. He who expects and wants every suggestion implement is the unreasonable one, not the other way around.

Put the hostility aside and get over not getting the one or two things on your personal priority list that you didn't get and then evaluate whether ArenaNet has been responding to players as a whole. Then ask the question whether ArenaNet's actions speak the message that they actually are listening to these b**** sessions or whether you are being unreasonable. Given the hurtful statements like "do you even play your own game?!?!" are you in awe that they even read these crap heaps of tirade and invectives hurled at them each day, hoping against hope that once in a while they might find a gem of a constructive criticism?